Date: 2009-03-26 07:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firescribble.livejournal.com
do want *____*

Date: 2009-03-26 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] sebastienne linked it and the first person I thought of was you. I'd really like to contribute, actually, if only I could think of anything interesting enough. You would think I would know SOMETHING. *frowns*

Date: 2009-03-26 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firescribble.livejournal.com
There are things, I'm sure. But I'm not an expert on any of them. *hangs head*

Date: 2009-03-26 07:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
I'm sure you know a lot about some stuff. Honestly. You could throw me ideas and I could research them like a maniac because THAT IS FUN.

Date: 2009-03-26 07:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firescribble.livejournal.com
I'm drawing a blank at the moment but that's probably just work making me brainless. Gimme a couple of days and I might come up with something. Maybe we could do this together?

Date: 2009-03-26 08:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
The stuff I can think of offhand really doesn't have a personality attached to it which would make it interesting to write about. There is that thing about the crossdressing Anglo Saxon and Viking skeletons but uh, yeah. Yes.

(We really are syncing something awful, by the way. TODAY I HAVE CRAMPS. I am very glad and yet rather horrified that I have a batch of brownies in a box in the kitchen. They are Needed and yet... and yet...)

Date: 2009-03-26 08:16 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] solaas.livejournal.com
Crossdressing skeletons. That is beyond cool and should be presented to the world!!!

Date: 2009-03-26 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
Basically in the early Anglo Saxon period (pre-Christianity) and at some points in time in Scandinavia it is not THAT uncommon to find quite markedly male skeletons (as in biologically male) buried with artefacts and remains of clothing traditionally considered female (as in culturally female), or vice versa. There are also mixed graves, with trappings of both sexes. Of course there's about a million interpretation problems -- with the identification of biological sex, and with the assignment of culturally constructed gender both -- but it's an interesting consideration that gender roles presumably had a degree of fluidity back then. For a long time skeletons were almost entirely marked up as male or female depending on whether their grave contained a sewing box or a spear, but the picture is totally not that simple, whichever way you want to spin it. I think there are graves with this sort of thing going from from... ehh... certainly England and the Netherlands, and then there a few more confused ones from Norway which are harder to deal with because of intercutting burials and multiple individuals in a single grave and that sort of thing, and Denmark has some which are easier to work with as well I think. The significance is hard to pin down of course and there's a lot of danger of making assumptions based on modern cultural norms BUT ALL THE SAME. It's pretty cool.

Date: 2009-03-26 08:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firescribble.livejournal.com
This is exactly the kind of thing they don't tell you in school

Date: 2009-03-26 08:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
Yup. I'm poking around on the internet for what the general public might get to see about this and some of it's sort of idiotic. ZOMG DO YOU THINK IT WAS DONE TO HUMILIATE CRIMINALS!!!?11!!???/!!!1! COULD NOT POSSIBLY BE THAT THE BOUNDARIES BETWEEN GENDERS LAY SOMEWHERE A BIT DIFFERENT OR THAT BIOLOGICAL SEX WAS NOT THE SOLE DETERMINANT OF GENDER OR. I mean we are talking about burials in normal cemeteries with all the signs of respectful burial here. Not criminal cemeteries, not bound burials, no signs of execution, nothing. Admittedly I can't really speak for burial traditions in Denmark but the English burials in question sure didn't have any of the signs of humiliated outcasts! There are an awful lot of possible interpretations, some of which have more to do with religious beliefs and symbolism which is always a tricky beast to deal with especially in a time period where bugger all got written down, but you know... uh... that one fails. Hard.

Date: 2009-03-26 09:41 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] solaas.livejournal.com
Hell yeah!

Date: 2009-03-26 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sebastienne.livejournal.com
Oh, write about this, please!

Date: 2009-03-26 01:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
*laughs* I've left a comment about it. I don't know how well it'd fit into the proposed format of the thing, to be honest! But it's a pretty neat topic.

Date: 2009-03-27 12:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] uminohikari.livejournal.com
...that is so cool! *.*

Date: 2009-03-26 08:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firescribble.livejournal.com
I don't think it has to have a personality attached. I WANT TO KNOW ABOUT CROSSDRESSING VIKING SKELETONS.

Date: 2009-03-26 08:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
See comment to Unni. ^^''

Date: 2009-03-26 08:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sebastienne.livejournal.com
Honestly, [livejournal.com profile] deathbyshinies is looking for 1000-1500 words that a GCSE student could understand. No expertness required! Please do go over there and make yourself known to her, at least provisionally.

(Sorry, [livejournal.com profile] giving_ground, for hijacking your thread and bullying your friends into writing..)

Date: 2009-03-26 08:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] giving-ground.livejournal.com
(That's fine! She really does know interesting stuff, she just likes to pretend she doesn't. *eyes*)

Date: 2009-03-26 08:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] firescribble.livejournal.com
*nod* I need some time to think about a topic. There are so many interesting things to write about. But I'd love to be a part of this.

Date: 2009-03-27 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] postingwhore.livejournal.com
yay, thanks for sharing! :D

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